Sam is interviewed by author and podcaster Dan Harris. They discuss Sam’s experience evacuating with his family during the recent Los Angeles fires, how mindfulness helped him find equanimity and gratitude amid the chaos, the power of Stoic reframing, materialism and non-attachment, the special challenge posed by small everyday disruptions, free will, psychedelics, the pleasure of deep concentration, dualistic vs. nondual practice, advantages of eyes-open meditations, the possibility of sudden awakening, why Sam built the Waking Up app, and other topics.

Dan Harris is the author of the #1 New York Times best-selling memoir 10% Happier, about a fidgety, skeptical news anchor who finds meditation. He’s also the host of the 10% Happier podcast where he interviews celebrities, entrepreneurs, authors, scientists, and meditation teachers about how to do life better. For 21 years, he worked at ABC News, where he anchored such shows as Nightline and the weekend editions of Good Morning America. You can learn more about Dan at danharris.com.