In Just This, Sam speaks with Peter Fenner. They discuss Peter's childhood encounter with Christian mysticism; working with negative emotion; Nāgārjuna’s “middle path” philosophy; teaching Buddhism vs. teaching dharma; merits of the traditional guru-disciple relationship; secret teachings; psychedelics; the ineffability of nondual experience; pointing-out instructions; integrating spiritual insight into everyday life; unethical behavior among some spiritual teachers; the continuum of awakening; the inseparability of emptiness and appearance; and other topics.

Dr. Peter Fenner is a writer, researcher, spiritual coach, and educator in deep Buddhist practice. He is the creator of the international programs Radiant Mind and Natural Awakening. He is also a guide for teachers of nonduality. He bases his work on the nondual Perfection of Wisdom tradition of Mahayana Buddhism. He has a Ph.D. in the philosophical psychology of the Madhyamaka school of Buddhism. His primary teacher was the celebrated Lama Thubten Yeshe, who ordained him and initiated him into tantra. His books include Radiant Mind: Awakening Unconditioned Awareness, Natural Awakening: An Advanced Guide in Sharing Nondual Awareness, and The Edge of Certainty: Paradoxes on the Buddhist Path. A full-length documentary about his work is available at awarenessmovie.org.